I met Joseph Jarman when I returned to Chicago from my tour of duty in the United States Army in 1961. We were both involved in music; we were enrolled together at Wilson Junior College, and on Monday nights we both went to the Muhal Richard Abrams Experimental Band rehearsals. At that time, I felt that Joseph was much further along in the way he was thinking about music than I was. I was fascinated by what he was doing musically, and as a fellow saxophonist, I realized that he had an enormous sound on the instrument, and that got my attention. I absolutely looked to Joseph, among others, for mentorship.